accessAtlanta

February 2, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Because society dictates to the shallow what is beautiful or acceptable. The lady was right to be upset with her mate having had plastic surgery and not revealing that info. You can walk around looking like Barbie and Ken to the world, but your kids can come here looking like a gremlin, because plastic surgery doesn’t change your genes.

By ATLBORN

February 2, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

GOOD MORNING ALL, I SAY IT WILL BE OK IF MY MATE (IF I HAD ONE) HAD PLASTIC SURGERY I CAN’T HAVE ANY MORE KIDS SO IT WOULD NOT MATTER TO ME AS LONG AS I LIKE THE PERSON I’M COOL. NOW ON THE OTHER HAND SHE IS CORRECT IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOUR CHILDREN MAY/MAYNOT LOOK LIKE. BUT HEY THAT IS SHURLY ONE THING NO ONE CAN BANK ON THE OUTCOME OF THE LOOKS OF KIDS BUT GOD. SORRY, YOU COULD BE WITH WHAT WE THINK THE UGLIEST MAN BUT HAVE THE MOST ADORABLE KIDS IN THE WORLD, GO FIGURE.

By dSlickster

February 2, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

morning **Wise ATL and Scorn.

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Morning all!

Good topic Wise. I was thinking about this just the other day. I think the day of natural beauty is gone. If you don’t have enough hair or your hair isn’t thick enough - you buy some. Not blessed with thick eyebrows - draw them on. Not blessed with thick lashes - glue them on. Now those forms of unnatural beauty have been around for some time - but now you don’t get ‘points’ for being natural.

And the popularity of plastic surgery has taken it to a whole ‘nother level. I understand the girl from the radio’s concern to a certain degree. Most of you know I’m a teeth person. And the jaw line is hereditary. Now - if I married a man with jacked up teeth, we could get the child braces - but I wouldn’t want any surprises. I met this guy a few weeks ago with the most beautiful smile I’ve ever seen. I mean I was infatuated with his mouth. So I asked him and he said he’s had braces and he gets his teeth whitened.

February 2, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

as you all know…i have been TALKING about getting lipo for the two years that we’ve been blogging…

now that i’m getting really close to having the available funds to do it…i find myself up at the crack of dawn every morning during the week doing a 2.5 mile walk…5 miles on the weekends…the only thing that keeps me from walking is steady rain…plus…for the first time EVER…i am seriously changing how i eat…not dieting…but really changing to healthier eating habits…

needless to say…that i will NOT be going under the knife…

for those that do…i ain’t mad at you…but i’ve just re-thought it for me…

my reasons for considering were all about SELF ESTEEM and BODY IMAGE…and solely FOR ME…not because of anybody else’s comments or input…truth be told…i am OFTEN told that i don’t need to lose a pound…it was about getting back the body that i had at 26 and that i let go due to inattention, laziness and complacency…didn’t know how FINE i was back then, alas…she sighs…

and as far as natural beauty…i really don’t think that exists anymore because due to the proliferation of the media in america, we have become an EXTREMELY visual society…what was once natural is now UNnatural…

and i could go on…

February 2, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

btw…the bert show rocks…

February 2, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

AND…i’m down 10 pounds since Jan 1…

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

Congratulations SSC!

By DasKrait2

February 2, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Good Morning ALL,

Yes, I also thought 2CPTG was back yesterday, via PlayersUnion but refrained from commenting. But ALMOST posted ‘Welcome Back, 2’. LOL (But since I have been wrong with him a few times too many….)

anyway, I personally do not like the concept of plastic surgery, for non-accident(masectomy, etc) reconstructive needs. However to each their own, I suppose the woman might have a point about genetically-produced ‘ugly’ kids. Sounds kinda superficial but since that pretty common, oh, never mind. LOL

Now the woman going to basically disfigure herself for a 3-month-long boyfriend. DANG! I have felt more than one set of fakies, and do not like them, regardless of the pertness of look. And like those A/B-cups anyway, so.

Also the braces thing, I was raised in a household(my Dad) who thought people should spend their money improving the world, not getting braces for every kid, needed or not. But then my boss announced recently all his kids would be getting braces, just because he had braces when he was a kid. (the new company now offers dental, something we never had here). Anyway, I thought it was all superficial, but was not surprised. LOL

February 2, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

thanks, tazzee…

it was SO cool seeing you at lunch…i’ma call you…i need to come by your house before you go…return your passion of the christ dvd…judith christie mcsomebody cd…your books (if i remember which ones they are)…

and say something that i should have said when i saw you tuesday…

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Wise Diva where is your PICTURE? I thought for sure you’d have one up by now…

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Lawd! I forgot about that stuff. I need to do a book recall - those of you out there that have some of my books, CONTACT ME ASAP!

Let me know when you want to come by - right now next week is wide open (I think) I didn’t realize how much I depended on my outlook calendar at work and my blackberry until I scheduled two lunch dates yesterday.

By dSlickster

February 2, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

I don’t think I would be bothered if my mate some work done but if we were in a serious relationship and planing to get married I would like to to know it had been done. I would definitely be concerned about my mate looks because it what keeps me attracted to her. Not saying it all about looks but let’s be real the physical has to be there to substain the relationship. As far as asking my mate to alter her appearance with sugery to make me happy…..that’s selfish now if she wanted to do it for herself thats different. Sugery in on the incline because the world has become shallow, hardcore or whatever you want to call it. It seems we strive for the exotic, model or foreign look…check out the videos…perfect example I think surgery helps with self esteem more than anything.

By E

February 2, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Sjea Last night I hit a wall with my weight and I am so frustrated and am really ready to get this weight off. Your post this morning was so inspirational to me and I want to thank you. It is a lifestyle change and I’m so ready to begin my new life. I have been going to the gym twice a week doing a Cardio Fusion class in Stone Mountain, but it’s gonna take more than twice a week exercising to get to where I want to be. Anyway, thanks again! Any helpful hints would be appreciated!

By db

February 2, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Morning all!

In my humble opinion, liposuction and some botox is alright in my book. Anything that changes your natural face or body structure is where I draw the line. That means I don’t care for my mate to have a nose job, whatever they do to the chin, veneers on the grill, breast implants (lift is ok), or any other type of implant.

If she had it done before I met her, I’d probably make a concession because I can’t change the past.

By Mia

February 2, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Hello…is this thing on…not sure if I’m still able to blog under my old pseudonym…just wanted to say hello to the old crew…I think it’s been a month since I last said anything on this blog. I vowed to move forward and not look back BUT I still gotta show some love and support to Wise Diva. I know this is a thankless task but I appreciate you for keeping this thing going. What’s the saying…something old can be made new again and apparently this blog is NEW…but the original bloggers know this thing been around for a minute…so it’s all good. Love and miss all the bloggers and lurkers.

February 2, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

aw, shucks…E…glad i could inspire ya’ chica…i KNOW it’s not easy…BUT…it is so worth it…

send me an email…and i will send you my number…and maybe we can partner on some walking workouts er’now and again…

i LOVE walking…cause it’s FREE TO WALK!!!

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

I thought about lipo for a hot second. Then I watched an episode of Nip/tuck and saw them vacuuming the fat out someone - I was like nuh unh, I’ll just have to workout harder and eat better. Or stay ‘fat and happy’, LOL.

February 2, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

That’s great Sjea…. Now if only I could get my lazy butt up in the morning…

As far as unnatural beauty is concerned, I am not a real fan of it, but everybody has to do what they think is best for them. I had never thought about it before but I guess some of my beauty is unnatural. I had braces for many years now I have a great set of teeth. I am with you on the teeth thing Tazz that’s one of the first things I notice on a man…. well actually it’s teeth, lips, and nails….. but my braces were not really for cosmetic reasons although the results were, I had some jaw alignment problems, which never troubled me, but my dentist thought it eventually would. I have thought about some lipo before, but that was out of pure laziness. I guess if I worked out more and ate less I could get close to if not the same results. I used to be unbeweavable and had nails for days. I have since cut all my hair off and have allowed my real nails to grow. I think make-up can be a bit unnatural at some point too. I have tons of make-up but I don’t look like a clown when I wear it. I use it to accentuate not to re-make…. if you know what I mean.

By E

February 2, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Sjea I will!

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Hey Mia - good to see you checking in.

Alright folks - I’m on here blogging and I should be working out. So I’ll be back later.

By dSlickster

February 2, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

@TAZZ just want to wish u well and success on your move out west before you go!

By anonymous

February 2, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

This is such a shallow and superficial culture. And I am considering plastic surgery and liposuction! Being a little past 60, I cannot stand the way my body has changed in the past five years. Everything droops now, from jawline to eyelids to boobs. All my fat goes to my stomach and suddenly, after years of being slim, I look like a little fat grandmother. I can’t stand it. I would never take off my clothes in front of anyone again!

February 2, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Hey mama Mia Wow I knew today was going to be a good day.

I didn’t finish commenting on my last post……. I think plastic surgery in on the increase because it’s more affordable, society has become more shallow, and we don’t teach our children to love themselves we are so fixed on correcting everything that we think is a flaw, when we could all probably agree that many of our flaws are perceived as a source of beauty to others. There are many things that I didn’t appreciate about myself when I was younger I wasn’t taught to embrace and love them I was told to change them, don’t get me wrong change is good, but I had to ask myself if I change these things will I feel better and the answer was a shocking NO.

You see I have the cutest little nose, and a dimple in one cheek, a childish grin, and narrow feet, booty and hips that can’t be beat…. sorry about that, but you get what I am saying. Those were my flaws and are now my greatest assets.

By mickiedee

February 2, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Hi, Mia! I wondered if you were ever going to check in with us.

February 2, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

it’s groundhog day!!*

oh…and totally unrelated…anybody wanna go see the alvin ailey dancers tonight?

By cool breeze

February 2, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

I think it is all a self-esteem issue. I was flipping channels the other night and came across larry king and a guy was on there that had done $250,000 worth of plastic surgery and he was ALMOST done. Pretty crazy to me. I have always been attracted to natural beauty and women that are pretty without even any make-up. I don’t even like hair extensions or fake nails. I like the girl how the good lord made them and to me I like it when women work with that. Otherwise to me you’re kinda taking away something about yourself that makes you special. People that get plastic surgery just look so plasticky(?) especially when they get older.

February 2, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

@Tazzee - nah shorty don’t believe the hype there are still some bruhs out here that appreciate (actually require) the natural beauty. Wouldn’t have married anything less than a natural beauty. Wifey wears very little makeup, no weave, no fake nails, eyelashes, whatever babygirl is all natural homegrown southern belle that is off the chain. “LOVE YOU BABY!”
I hate weave, don’t like braids, just about fake anything, and for those years I lived down in the MIA - you were just waiting for people to just start melting for all of the plastic walking around in 100 degree heat. So Tazzee do your thang I ain’t mad atcha, besides you’ll appreciate it more if you do it yourself!

February 2, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

mark stress…today…i am agreeing with something you said…you’ll appreciate it more if you do it yourself…amen, brother…

February 2, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Sjea - I don’t know why we couldn’t agree on yesterday LOL

February 2, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

dude…do NOT get me started on yesterday…again…

By Inquisitive2

February 2, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

I love the Bert Show

February 2, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

shorty I would but that was yesterday - why bring up old stuff

February 2, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

exactly…

By DasKrait2

February 2, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Heh MIA - no New Yawk progress report then? LOL

oh, any guy who wants his girlfriend(of a very short time) to get implants is just trying to get her to look like a porn star. Personal opinion, but…LOL Now, not that I know what one looks like, but.(backpedaling, of course)

Now if she has had kids(and nursed), MAYBE a different story(if she initiates), but since that also rather natural…. Like I said, I do not like them.

February 2, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Good Morning Blogmates.. Hey love the skin youre in.. Cause you would hate to look like that Cat Lady..

By Blue

February 2, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Hey Mia Mia! What’s it like working at the NYT?

By Weave Wearer

February 2, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

I think it is hypocritical to “hate weave” because it’s not natural, especially for black women who relax their hair. That hair ain’t naturally coming straight, you are ADDING something to make it that way. So why dislike adding hair? Isn’t that the same thing? White women use extensions all the time too, especially celebrities. Jessica Simpson, Pamela Anderson, and many other women that men drool over have all worn extensions in their hair.

By Relly Rell

February 2, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

@MzB, mail call….this one will floor you…lol

By Ignatius

February 2, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Hello all. IMHO, I think plastic/cosmetic surgery should be covered by insurance in the case of disfigurment or birth defects (cleft palette, etc.). If someone wants to have surgery performed for their own self esteem, that is their decision. If they have it performed to please someone else, to me that is a mental weakness and maybe the inside needs work more than the outside. SSC has it right. There is so much you can do to improve your attitude towards yourself that doesn’t cost a penny. Walking/running is such a relaxing release that allows you to spend time with and to get to know yourself. That is one of the few times I have alone to myself during the day and I cherish it. Paraphrasing my entry from the other day, if you are happy with yourself, you’re going to be beautiful to everyone who matters. To base it on having children is just wrong. Some people just aren’t meant to have kids and there is nothing wrong in the world with that. The trick is to knowing whether or not you should before you do. You all have a great day! Hi Mia! Been to Bella Ferrara and scarfed down any of those canollis for me yet?

February 2, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Hey MIA!!! We miss you!

February 2, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

On the flip side of all this, a couple of years ago Mase’s brother (who was/is a very handsome guy) was in a fire and got burned pretty bad. One side of his face had to have skin graphs. At the time of the fire he was engaged to this rather attractive woman. After he had gotten a lot better, but still had the permanent scarring, even though his girlfriend was still around he questioned the fact of her still wanting to marry. She still married him and they have a beautiful baby girl now. Despite the looks that they get from people, she loves this man for who he is.

February 2, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

@Weaver wearer - if you like it do your thing that is all that really matters anyway - my personal preference does not dictate whether another person should or shouldn’t do anything.

February 2, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

@Scorned - we can really use more stories like that

By db

February 2, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

A good weave is okay in my book!

By MistaO

February 2, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Plastic surgery can be a blessing for some people with horrible disfigurements, so I’d say it can be good. However, I do have a few PS dislikes: When folks get like the sawed down noses where the nostrals are shaved down like Latoya Jackson’s.

Another aspect that I think is a waste are breast jobs. Now dont get me wrong, some of those joints do a good job and can be very appealing but I’ve cant stand the hard rock like ones that have no “slosh” sway or hang to them, too unatural. Sometimes small is better than having two big ol hard lumps, ya know?

Oh and another thing, those dudes that get all that work done and then come out looking better than some women (and don’t pretend you haven’t seen them either). Now that’s a case for being p** about not knowing about a PS.

February 2, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

i don’t have problem with weave wearing…BUT…if you’re gonna wear a weave…you GOTTA keep it tight…

don’t be walking around with a wack a ss weave…and when it’s time to get it re-done…please do so…or you will be fined by the fashion police…

By Bre'

February 2, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Greetings this morning to all.

If she is really that displeased as to what he looked like when he was younger and afraid for what her kids are going to look like. She needs to do what she feels is best. But from my standpoint its a very shallow thing to do. Maybe she needs to have a little faith in what the man above can do. I don’t think anyone likes everything about what they see in the mirror. Beauty is in the hands of the beholder. AS you know some of the most beautiful people can act up in a way and become very ugly. Ones true beauty is from within. But to do cosmetic surgery for someone else is taking it a little far. If I wanted to change it for self to make self feel better. Then that is totally different its a little extreme if someone else approached me about it.

In some ways maybe we are catching up to other countries. For instance Japan/Thai Airlines has you send in a whole photo shoot package before even interviewing you, then you have to maintain a certain weight or you are fired.

February 2, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

OOOOh…. ummmm… mail call 2022

February 2, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

DBYeah Man I aint mad at Weavy Wonder either.. Naturals, Weaves, Locs, Perms. I dont discrimi-hate as long as its well put together.

By Why?

February 2, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

are mail calls necessary every 5 minutes? Can’t you just check your inbox?

February 2, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

I think that was a bit shallow too Bre. I know we all have our shallow ways, but geez, you don’t want to MARRY him now.. and do people ever really think their own children are ugly?

February 2, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

DK - man I’m going to have to get you some theme music - you need some Curtis Mayfield playin when you log in

February 2, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Yes Wise LOL. Lil 10 looked like a little night monkey when he was born. His eyes were huge. I wanted to send him back, j/k. But the rest of his body finally caught up with his big eyes. Now he has puppy brown eyes and long dark blond hair, he’s a cutie.

February 2, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

I was wondering the same thing Wise. Has someone really looked at their own child and thought they were ugly. I guess it’s possible, but believe me if my child looked like a gremlin I would love that slimy green thing to death and tell it how beautiful their green slimy skin is everyday. They should be the best Gremlin they can be and be pround of it. Lol.

February 2, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

I think monkeys are so cute Scorned cuter than puppies.

By Socialite

February 2, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Checking in- Morning!

Hey Mia hope you are enjoying the new gig.

Plastic surgery- def on my list of things to do. This year’s major expense was Lasik. Next Year- lipo. And in a few more years (hopefully after I’ve birthed a baby or two) I’d like to return the girls to their original starting point.

February 2, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

*Mark Hey Man I already got theme music.. T.I. My Life

Can’t ya see I’m on fire, so quit hating on me pimpin, I’m just living my life…. In white linen, I’m fly..top down in the spider, gone be a rider for the rest of my life

By db

February 2, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

I was contemplating lipo for me before I hit 30 in a couple of years. But then I think I’m just being way to vain if I do so. What do ya’ll think about men and lipo?

February 2, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

I agree with that Van, to not like your child is to not like yourself. They are only a product of you.

By Str8

February 2, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Mia! Hey Diva!

On the topic… would you hate your kids because they were ugly? are there any kids who are born ugly? (never heard anyone say… that’s one ugly baby!)

By Cee

February 2, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

I know my babies are pretty…where would they get ugly from?? j/k

Not a big fan of plastic surgery…the only thing I would change about myself is my height. Would love to be taller…and I can wear heels for that!

February 2, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

DB A man getting lipo is kinda queer eye.. Cause we can lose weight if we stop eating fried chicken.. For the ladies aight, if thats what they wanna do, but a dude.. I dunno.. I see cats at the gym with fake calf muscles, Bicepts and carrying on.. Man gone..

February 2, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

i have a girlfriend who admits that one of her kids was rather interesting looking when he was born…and that he finally got cute around the age of 3…

and now…her other soon is 14 and is 6’1…she says she is looking forward to the day when he grows out of his ackward looking stage and gets used to being so tall…

February 2, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

I was watching MTV’s True Life: I want the perfect body, and there was a guy who got calf implants. I can’t remember why he was focused on it, like if he modeled swimwear, or was into body building competition…but calf implants? DO ladies even look at a guy’s calf muscles to see if they are big enough?

February 2, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

dk…i’m sure you saw my last comment for you yesterday…still laughing…

and i too have my own theme music…trina…the baddest chick…and told y’all…

February 2, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

I guess this is why online dating became so popular. You can get to know the personality of a person before shunning them for their looks. I see these eharmony commercials and wander how real is that? I know on most sites now you can post a picture, but has anyone on here ever used online dating and liked a person just talking over the phone, but changed your mind when you saw them in person?

February 2, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

@DK - actually THE ROCK had it done - said he just couldn’t get rid of those love handles so he got’em sucked out

but you can actually buy - fake pecs, fake six pack the whole nine yards - you should see the commercials that used to run in Miami - yeah even fake calves

By db

February 2, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

I didn’t say fake muscles or anything like that, I just said lipo. Here’s my situation… I’m a fitness buff; I lift and do cardio 4 times a week and I also eat right. Even when I played ball back in college and trained every day of the week; even then, I’ve always had issues with my love handles. All I need is a little fat slurp and my ish would rival LL cool J (he had lipo as well; so don’t believe the hype). Plus I’m about to become a certified personal trainer by the end of this year, so I want my ish to be perfect (free advertisement). So I’m not on some old queer eye type ish at all, but can see where you might think that; hence my apprehension to getting it done.

February 2, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

scorned…i say all the time…most people type WAY better than they look…

and yes…i have changed my mind about a person once i met them in person…but not because of their looks or lack thereof…but because of the chemistry…if it’s not a love connection…it’s just not a love connection…

February 2, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Wow, I feel sorry for guys. It’s kind of interesting how men are always so cautious of what they do as not to appear gay, or ambiguously gay. That sounds like a burden. I wouldn’t give a ratzz azz what another person thought about my sexual preference, but then again, being lesbian and bi-sexual doesn’t make people recoil as much.

February 2, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

my daugther is the cutest little girl I have ever seen - and though I have 10 pictures of her on my desk it just isn’t enough!

February 2, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

I have no problems with a man getting lipo because he’s a man, but what would we hold onto. The thought of fake muscles scare me and it seems like they would hurt especially in the butt and calves. You have to do what works for you and makes you feel good. I wouldn’t worry about the Queer Eye stuff. Personal Training is a great path to pursue…. your body is your best advertisement and although I have seen personal trainers that are overweight it’s nothing better than being whipped into shape by a body you hope to someday have.

February 2, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Sjea Yeah if The Donald can do it so can I… Besides It was time for a change.

DB Yeah I got ya man, but dogg those handles work well for the rodeo show man. Well go head then L.L… DB you dont be in the gym naked so wife beater it up and do it, do it, do it, do it.

Mark I can dig it but for me those little imperfections make you.. You.. To each his own though.. I just rather spend that Lipo fare in gear, as I am a shoe fanatic.

By Laney

February 2, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

Great topic Diva…

Scorned, I’ve definitely been disappointed after meeting somebody I thought I was going to be into - of course that is because the picture he put up was YEARS old and looked absolutely nothing like him! forget plastic surgery - I think some of the guys on these sites subscribe to the “any flaw can be fixed by Photoshop” school of medicine.

February 2, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

yeah being bi-sexual or lesbian is so much easier for people to comprehend and accept especially if they are… er… ummm beautiful. Contradictions and double standards I tell ya. lol.

By Bre'

February 2, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Lipo on men, hmmmmm never thought it thru. “Tire in the middle” and love handles can be handed down thur generations and if its for the sake of making the whole packaged look better. Then do you DB, now if its from the couch potatoe that is to lazy to hit the gym I don’t empathize with.

February 2, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

db - I’m with you on the fitness buff thing - didn’t want to do the physical trainer thing though my little brother does it up in Brooklyn. I don’t mind training you if I know you and you are just working out with me - but just taking people I don’t know through the paces I just can’t do.

you taking any supplements?

By Tazzee

February 2, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

db - I don’t care if a man gets lipo - but as a personal trainer, don’t you think that would be false advertising? Or would you wait until you’d been training someone for years and they got rid of everything but the love handles to tell them you had lipo.

BTW - My workout was great! I like this whole not working thing. Dang only 6 more days of it :(

February 2, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

That’s understandable sJea because if the chemistry isn’t there you can look like an Adonis it’s just not going to work.

@DK those little imperfections make you, right. My husband says the same thing. In exactly 2 years and 2 months I will be 40 and a couple of weeks ago I was looking in the mirror and noticed my first laugh line. While standing there trying to plan the demise of this unsightly critter (yes the shallow part of me), Mase askes what are you looking at. When I pointed it out to him he says that’s just the more mature, wiser, remarkable you shining through. Even though we was just trying to get his morning feel on, LOL, I still understood what he was saying.

By Anonymous Too

February 2, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Isn’t that false advertising as a personal trainer? You’re saying that if a person works out really hard and eats right etc then they can have your body, too, but are you going to tell them that it entailed having surgery in the end anyway?

I’m against many of these invasive surgeries that are done for vanity for a couple of reasons. 1) As a society it distorts our concept of beauty and that is not the legacy I would want to leave for our children. 2) It can have serious side effects that can affect the health/quality of life of the patient. 3) It may look great today, but many people who have work done look like picasso paintings later in life. 4) If the patient is not careful with maintenance then the very area that was “fixed” can become the ugliest part of the person. For example, if you have lipo on your hips then you will not gain weight there again because the fat cells were removed. You will still gain the same amount of weight if you don’t maintain it carefully, but it will no longer be evenly distributed and your body can look and feel VERY distorted.

It is none of my business if someone does decide to have work done, but I don’t think I would be interested in someone who is under 40 and already had extensive work done. I would be really scared to see them at 50.

By db

February 2, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Mark I sometimes take supplements, but nothing spectacular. Of course I always take my multivitamins in the morning. After my workouts, I’ll have a protein shake w/ creatine. That’s it! I’m not into fat burners, or too many lab created substances that you can get on your own by having a good diet.

Tazzee: I wouldn’t consider it false advertisment because if that was the case, any woman who wears weave, makeup, etc. are falsely advertising themselves on a daily basis. Like I said, my body is very fit other than that one little trouble area. H3ll, if anybody asked if I had lipo, I wouldn’t lie to them; I tell them the reason why. Genetics are a bia bia.

February 2, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

I am sorry, but personal trainers are MEAN. Do you have to be mean to motivate! Maybe I need to stray away from the ones with a military background. LOL

February 2, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

fitness facts - out of the latest edition of Men’s Health

Men with flat stomachs are:

50% less likely to develop heart disease 16% less likely to die of a first heart attack. (I guess on the 2nd one all bets are off) 50% less likely to have erectile dysfunction 70% less likely to develop high blood pressure. 35% less likely to develop kidney cancer 90% less likely to suffer from gallstones 14% less likely to develop osteoarthritis 19% less likely to die in a car crash (don’t know how they got that one but I’ll take it)

February 2, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

All this talk about fake advertisement and body parts remind me of the scene in I’m Gonna Git You Sucka with Keenen Wayans and Anne Marie Johnson. That was hilarious.

February 2, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

db…makeup is false advertising???

quit playin’…

yes…heavy theatrical, photoshoot makeup on a daily basis may be a bit extreme…but the amount of makeup most everyday chicks wear can hardly be considered false advertising…

however…surgically altering your body shape in a career field that is supposed to be about naturally shaping your body is altogether different…it means that you…in effect…couldn’t do for yourself what you are charging other people to do…it’s like you’re making promises that you can’t keep…IF…you’re selling your specific body image…

now…if what you’re selling is fitness education and improved nutrition and eating habits it’s a bit different…

and now that all that is said…if you want the lipo…get the lipo…

just no that…ethically…you’ll fall into the gray area…

February 2, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

@db - yo if you want to get lipo for your own personal reasons knock yourself out - but as a PT I probably wouldn’t share it unless I knew the client was in the right mindset to handle the info - cause some will be like - so why am I payin you when I can spend this money gettin lipo myself.

unless you plan on strippin and give’em the pose down to attact clients I wouldn’t worry about the lipo before you get started man

By The Law

February 2, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

What’s so bad about weave, make up, and things of the sort? Even when one has a green lawn is it wrong to fertilize to make it even more visually appealing

By Miss Atl

February 2, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

My personal trainer isnt mean. i wish he was a little more aggressive. But not like Harvey on Celeb Fit club.

I knwo there was a trainer at Ballys on Lavista rd (yeah I am calling him out) he was training this lady and he wasso rude, all he did was 2 wayed thew whole time he worked w/ someone. And i remember he was working out w/ this nice sized chic, and he was telling her to move more and go hard other wise sh would never be in shape. he was alll loud.

By jRock

February 2, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Afternoon folks..

Just saw a couple folks I wanted to say hey to.. Hey Wise 1, Mia, Socialite, Ms. SexCee and the rest..

btw… Ugly children turn into some fine a$$ adults..

Socialite… you really don’t need lippo… “Girls back to their original starting point”.. Only you! LoL

February 2, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

yea, uh I would totally pay for a Stripper/ Personal trainer, is that wrong?

By verbalintercorz

February 2, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Sup peoples? Long time no blog. Cosmetic surgery is on the rise and as a result, mishaps and malpractice litigation has risen as well. I personally have thought about it because I was born with Poland’s Syndrome. This is a condition where I was born without a pectoral muscle on my left side. It has been my Achilles heel while I played football b/c it limited my upper body strength to less than 50% and the look cosmetically is less than desirable. Getting plastic surgery to get a pectoral implant has crossed my mind on many occasions and I will more than likely go through with the procedure within the next couple of years. On the case of the young lady being asked to do it by a newly aquired boyfriend is unacceptable. Eventhough he is paying for her procedure she should do what she feels is best for her. The basic premise her is that you do not or should not let any EVER dictate how to run your life and more importantly what you need to do to your own d#mn body. As mentioned in the latter, I will be making the decision, no one else. All of those who know about it continually tell me that there is nothing wrong, but it being that it is on my body, It is painfuilly obvious and needs to be corrected.

I hope all of you ladies, and fellas never have to go through this kind of surgery. I may be in contradiction because I believe that you were born a certain way, more so physically and you really should try to change that. Obviously if you are obese and you want to loose weight and tone up, that is a different story, but the addition of unnatural “parts�? to your body was not the intention of the creator, despite Him giving us the ability to create such technology…

Holla atcha boy

VK “I’m mentally endowed….�?

By db

February 2, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

sjea & “thelaw*: I think ya’ll got the wrong meaning from my comment… I *didn’t say that I believed that it was false advertisement; I said that if you think lipo is false advertising, you’d have to group makeup, weave, and forth into the same group. For the record, I don’t think it’s false advertising at all. I see all of it as enhancing what you already have and nothing more.

February 2, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

wise…i know one…i could hook you up…

By Cee

February 2, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

WOW cute picture Wisey!!

By anonymousella

February 2, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

wonderin if jrock was an ugly baby … j/k…lol.

i have nothing insightful to add. for the most part, i don’t understand wanting to surgically alter a body part unless it’s disfigured. and if my man ever asked me to get plastic surgery, he would no longer be my man. … shoot. if you can’t love me as i am, than you just can’t love me.

By db

February 2, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

excuse my typos and formatting issues…

February 2, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Sjea!! ..oh wooord!? note to self: call Sjea this evening. giggle

By cs

February 2, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

i hate when you go to the gym and the person that is supposed to help you get into shape looks worse then you do.

By verbalintercorz

February 2, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

LOL@cs!!!

February 2, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

OMG! CEE, you about gave me a heart attack! I was like..where has she seen a picture of me!!! ?

ohhhhhhh! isn’t that adorable!? and did you see the initials WD in the middle? I completely missed it when I first saw it, LOL.

Thanks to the AJC ART Department for the fabulous design!!

Laney & WD the co-blogging divas!!

February 2, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

@sexCee - whats up baby - just had to holla atcha

By abc

February 2, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

I think the proliferation of obvious cosmetic surgery in Hollywood has had a big influence on people. On the other hand, European stars don’t ALL have their teeth capped like Americans do… what’s up with that? Is all this cosmetic froo-froo an American thing?

I’ve never had any cosmetic surgery, taken supplements or anything like that, and I’d never encourage my girl to do anything like that. That’s actually a little shocking to me, that a new boyfriend would even suggest it. Not a lot of class, IMHO.

I’ve always been athletic, work out, watch my diet. I can tell what a difference it makes by comparing myself to my brothers, who’ve never played sports or exercised — BIG difference! I think for improved health in later years, participation in sports at an early age is key. Plus, it just feels good to be in shape.

February 2, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

ahem I’d like to thank my mama for raising me to run my mouth, and speak my mind.

I’d like to thank Ms. Mia, for her fabulous foresight to create a unique forum for relationship discussions. She really did set it OFF with the blog explosion, very cool to see it carried on. She left her mark!!

I’d like to thank the supervisor of the blogs (Ms. LD) for her support and keeping me on the blog.

I’d like to thank all bloggers, silent readers, and the wonderful people who read or email me to let me know they read after hours.

I am crazy about ALL you crazy nuts!!!

and uh..that is all. giggle ..It’s not the Oscars but this is the closest I will get!

By Deljah

February 2, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Love the pic, Wise! :o)

‘bout time!

By verbalintercorz

February 2, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

So Deljah…I agree, now whutcha got to say on it?

By Shakira

February 2, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

YOU MADE IT WD YOU MADE IT…

EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL…it really is true!

THANK GOODNESS THEY GOT YOUR PIC UP THERE, I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE BLOG BOYCOTT on them.

By Str8

February 2, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Yeah Wise… that’s really cute!. Maybe I should contact the ajc art dept, I need to come up with a logo for my company!

Any artistic/graphic design bloggers out there wanna help?

By mickiedee

February 2, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

I want one of those logos! Wise it is so cute.

On topic - I never thought I needed plastic surgery for anything. However, I do need to lose weight. Like Sjea said, I didn’t know how fine I was 10 years ago until I gained weight.

By Daskrait2

February 2, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Kept looking for the pic on the left, above the ‘who is wise diva’ and was thinking, well, don’t know what to say there… but I did not see it until “Look right, young man, look right” or something like that.

funny pic, (makes you look haughty and stuck-up and we know you are nothing like that). Blog-Paradoxes perhaps? yea, yea, that’s it.

By Cee

February 2, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Hello Mr. MarkNoStress— it’s all good, everyday!

February 2, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

I actually like all of the new design for AJC.com. Nice makeover!