Misadventures in Atlanta

By GaMan

August 11, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Ok wayyy off topic, butdid anyone else see that hellofa Swimming race last night

Us was trailing then took the lead…then lost the lead only to come back and win by .008

that was worth every bit of T.V time last night

By M'Karyl

August 11, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

RIP Bernie Mac and Isaac Hayes…wow…thanks for the soulful good times and memories…Bernie got St. Peter in tears of laughther at the Pealie Gates…and Isaac is just smooth crooning the angels…God Bless.

By Raqi

August 11, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Yes. Everything that we do speaks to who we are.

From my experience Lifestyle and Character can be the two most important elements make or break a relationship.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Morning! in the office early for real.

Ga. Man, boy stop!…It was me passing the towels out after the race,lol. all in it Jason was tired but said, nah not today! The race was hella fly. I was surprised at dude’s age…he looks younger.

sorry Wise i had to give Gman dap on that one…

On topic: Hmmmm…let me think.

By M'Karyl

August 11, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Do you think our career/ jobs (or lack thereof) define who we are and how we date?

For the most part, yes it does inherently define some essential part of who we are…mostly because like all experiental knowledge and existence…part of who we are comes from what we do…careers/jobs…interest…lifestyle choices…and how we date is also reflected in that because we tend to choose ppl who have similar interest and backgrounds…goals and agendas…compatability comes from a commonality of shared interests…views…etc.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

M’karyl…don’t make me cry today…for real. This weekend was one of the longest, then hearing about the death of B. Mac and then the news about Hayes on yesturday was a bit much.

By M'Karyl

August 11, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

@Cemeeli

Gonna recognize…just mind blowing…seems that a lot of intellectual, creative and provocative energy has been transformed lately…energy in neither created nor destroyed, it just changes form and shape…

By SlimOne

August 11, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

I would type cast athletes as non-commital, fluck almost everything, spoiled men…

I would type cast salesmen as huge flirts that would try to sale himself or use whatever means (i.e tell you what you wanna hear or think you wanna hear) to whomever just for chase of ‘commission’.

I would type cast television broadcasters as uptight, stiff, dry humored, judgemental types. Oh and let me throw in probably a little conceited/arrogant/vain.

Had a rough mental weekend but bf drug me outta the house Saturday and I’m glad she did

By SexyLeggs

August 11, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

GaMan, that race was FABULOUS!!!

Do you think our career/ jobs (or lack thereof) define who we are and how we date? Unfortunately it does, but it shouldn’t. Many of us are in jobs that has absolutely nothing to do w/who we are. The economy has forced many to work in areas normally not suited for them in order to make ends meet. I’ve learned years ago not to judge a book by its cover. I have to operate on one’s character first.

Isa very hungry dis morn…

By AmazonRed

August 11, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Happy Monday everyone! I’m back from vacation but I see the “spirit” of AmazonRed lived on last week, even though I was nowhere near the internet. LOL. Guess I was missed. LMAO.

I really wish I was back on that sugar white sand!

Happy Anniversary Wise Diva!!!

By Dan

August 11, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

I would type cast strippers as promiscuos and open to suggestion;

I would type cast female athletes as needy (of attention and compliments “no your chin isn’t square”);

I would type cast the “professional” woman as head strong but great in the sack, something about repressing all that sexiness all day, do something to the”juices”;

I would type cast female police officers as really submissive;

I would type cast writers and other artists as silly, but in a good way;

I would type cast beauty queens as vacous barbies with a range of conversation of a third grader;

Of course all of this mean dyck, as I know only a handful of these types of women with which to create a sample.

@Slim

Cheer up, For Real a large helping of Black Cake for Slim. Brought to you by Lenny the race hating dolphin…

By Foots

August 11, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Is there a particular profession you prefer not to date? If so, what are your reasons?

I don’t think I would date a radio DJ or party promoter. Whenever I hear Si-Man broadcasting from someone, I wonder if he has a woman back at home. He (and others like him) is a huge flirt and his weekends are always shot. Party promoters have to go out and meet people for their livelihood, and I think it would be hard to tell whether he was out meeting women and men for a party or a party.

Don’t think I’d date another police officer either. They are some of the biggest flirts out there and often use their position to meet women. Either that, or they are downright overly aggressive/crazy.

I dated an artist once. We both were still in school at the time, but because I didn’t share his love of art the way he did, we broke it off. I said I liked the dayum picture, what else did he want? LOL! He was a little moody and brooding too.

By Foots

August 11, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Do you think our career/ jobs (or lack thereof) define who we are and how we date?

I agree with Raqi. For the most part, the careers and jobs that we choose says something about us. Our personalities and talents eventually lead us to what we should really be doing, instead of what earns us the best living. If you’re lucky, your talents lead you to making your best living. I don’t think that very many of us actually get a chance to live out our purpose, doing what fulfills us from the inside out, because we get so focused on paying the bills. But if a person is truly following their talents, the jobs or careers they end up in tell us a lot about who they are.

I would never be a good salesperson, I am NOT a people person. But it’s good that the careers I’ve chosen have represented my personality and fit me well. I’m more of a quiet, to myself type of person, who loves numbers and problems with solutions. What says that better than Engineering and Finance?

By M'Karyl

August 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

He was a little moody and brooding too.

I have found that trait in artist, musicians, intellectuals…ppl with somewhat esoteric personalities…how much of what type a personality a person has is shaped by how content that person is with what he/she is doing for a living and how vaible it is in supporting the long term goals in their lives? How much of the personality comes from what someone feels/believes that they must project?

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

lot of intellectual, creative and provocative energy has been transformed lately

M’karyl “tranformed”. hmm something to think about.

On topic: The longer I stay in this industry, the more I realize those are the same type ppl i’ll meet. i do my job, but make it a point not to become this job. Over my lifetime i have/will take up a 2nd gig from time to time or volunteer to meet different type of ppl.

p.s. *Country boy some of us women can cut up a chicken 7 ways ‘til giblet gravy…lol*

Morning ladies and gent!

By SexyLeggs

August 11, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Foots Si-Man does have a woman back home…his wife.

By QC

August 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Morning…have a great day bloggers

By Foots

August 11, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

SexyLeggs Didn’t know Si-Man was married. She must be one extra-secure woman.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

@MK

Knowledge increases sorrow…

That’s why the creative and the people with esoteric personalities are brooding…they see the world differently, and use there art and their minds to show the flaws to the rest of society.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Happy Aniiversary, Diva, and cool concept, reinvigorating popular topics - kudos…

As far as our careers defining who we are, I gotta agree, to a certain extent, that what we do has a bearing on our identity. On the other hand, as many of you all are experiencing, situations can dictate circumstances - sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do in order to eat.

and Cee…said like Katt Williams, this shyt right here, this shyt right here, nikka, “some of us women can cut up a chicken 7 ways ‘til giblet gravy”…will have a bruh lookin fo yo azz!

By M'Karyl

August 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

@Foots

I agree…I also think that ppl who are by volition and desire doing the type of career-minded work that they enjoy tend to have more of a comfort level of self-expression in existence…happier ppl tend to convey happier personalities overall…less self-consciousness and more fluid self-epxression…but yes, most ppl will not fulfill the inner volition and therefore must toil at an occupation in order to make ends meet and to support a lifestyle of necessities and amenities…I think more personality angst exist with ppl who have these type or restrictive career choices…can not be much joy inside or out…choices or lack of influence our temperment.

By M'Karyl

August 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Increases=to enhanced awareness of sorrow??? or increases=have more sorrow to contend with??? Just wanted to know.

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Good morning All. I have judged a guy by what he did for a living only because he tried to make himself out more than what he was. He worked in the mailroom at a bank, but tried to give himself a title other than mail person. Also I ask because some men are serial job hoppers. They’ve never worked anywhere in their lives more than a few years. That instability is a telling trait about who he is as a person. I’ve been judged for where I work when I was still in college and I just didn’t get it at the time. Years later I found out he was looking for a woman to take care of him.

By abc

August 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

No teachers. They get way too preoccupied with their jobs, and tend to think it’s like a divine calling or something.

No cops. I have no use for cops. Besides, cops are usually too dumb to have much to do with anyway.

No lawyers. Conniving and sneaky as a way of life is not a good thing. There is no such thing as a ‘white hat’, as lawyers tend to refer to each other.

Any musician or artist that claims they’re moody or whatever due to their profession (or avocation as the case may be) is a total poseur. When you get right down to it, creative jobs are still jobs, not your entire personality, no matter how devoted you are to it. In that regard, most personalities and celebrities are total poseur fakes.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

MK

First it’s a Bible quote…

Secondly, I’ve found that the more one studies (man, society, psychology, et al.)and lives the more one is apt to be “aware” of the sorrow of others.

Lastly, it’s called empathy..

By Jazzyone

August 11, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

I am not what I do for a living. At the office I can be baracuda like becasue I am the only woman and black woman on this floor in this world of technology.

I can be more relaxed and laid back out of the office and communication style is quite different, more relaxed and open than who I am durrign the day.

I prefer to date a man that is more in line with what my extra caricular activities are not what matches what I do for a living.
I strived for this career love what I do and the plus is i make good money doing it.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

M’karyl you said it best.

I also think that ppl who are by volition and desire doing the type of career-minded work that they enjoy tend to have more of a comfort level of self-expression in existence…

and to you are the artist type. I havn’t found my “self-expression” on my current…been here a while too.

2C Hey…all i could do was laugh. You and Katt take it “anutha”.

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Jazzy^5!!! I agree, but some people have difficulty with separating the two. I’m in a similar situation. I’m the only Black person working in my office as well and it gets bothersome that they find you ‘fascinating’ because you’re multi-faceted away from work.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

“Secondly, I’ve found that the more one studies (man, society, psychology, et al.)and lives the more one is apt to be “aware” of the sorrow of others.”

Ah, looks like you’re a student of Shakespeare! All of his works were an attempt to show the human frailties of life….

By mytwocents

August 11, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Conclusions jumped to are Cops… drunk with power, will try to ‘put me in my place’. Military man… super rigid and disciplined, will try to ‘put me in my place’. Firefighter… brave, protective, w/ sweat drippin from brow dreamy sigh should feel free to try to ‘put me in my place’. (Okay, me or M’karyl ;) Speaking of, I agree w/ your 9:57. It’s why I switched it up a few years ago. Less stability yes, but gave me greater peace of mind.

AtlLady You mean w/o rhyme or reason, kinda lateral job moves? Cuz I thought the main school of thought was movers & shakers should be movin’ & shakin thangs up about every 2 yrs? But I guess lotsa these premises change frequently depending on our economy.

Foots Why come I was thinkin’ the same bout Si-Man as he danced a lil too close the other nite…

Hope those kiddies got off to a bright n shiny start if today was their day.

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

My2CThat’s exactly what I mean. They quit jobs because it’s always someone else’s fault or get fired for bad habits such as tardiness and absenteeism. If you work for a company for 3 years and moved to another company because of upward mobility potential that a plus not a minus. If you’re 30 years old and still bouncing from job to job because you would rather sit on your butt at home or you’re dodging child support, then I’ve got a problem with you.

By Staceye AKA Black Mamba

August 11, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Ga Man I saw it…I think I would lose my mind to lose by the small of a deficit!

M’Karyl Girl you know those stars die in 3’s…so all of Hollywood is biting their nails while wondering who’s next! I was at a food function when I got the text about Issac. I suddenly lost my appettite! Although before my time…his music was and still is hot! He and Curtis Mayfield is what made hip hop today as far as track wise. He will be missed! Now everytime I see or hear milk and cookies I will remember Bernie Mac! Why are we losing all the great comedians this year…first George Carlin and now Bernie! RIP to them all….

Slim * would type cast athletes as non-commital, fluck almost everything, spoiled men…* Girl me too! I almost run when I meet them! LOL But physically, LAWD help me I am drawn to them like flies to sh*t! LOL

Dan I would type cast beauty queens as vacous barbies with a range of conversation of a third grader; You know I had to deal with people like you my whole life. I would always have some person thinking because I was in a gown, crown and sash that I was an airhead. Boy oh boy did I shut them up when I spoke. They tried to quiz me on the sly so not only did I answer them, but blow their pre-conceived notion about me when I surpassed their knowledge and expectations and had them speechless! Don’t get it twisted..just becasue you look a certain way does not mean yu are an empty shell.

But I am also an artist and I AM silly as hell…so you got that one! LOL

Abc When you get right down to it, creative jobs are still jobs, not your entire personality not true…creativeity is not just a job! You are born with the talent of creativity! You can’t be taught…you either got it or you don’t. You can make it grow and become better. But you must first have the gift to be molded. As an actress I can sometimes get so caught up in my roles and getting into character that it effects my personality. If the character is not anything like you…you have to to really dive deep into it to make it real and believable to your audience! I read that Heath Ledger got so into his last character that it took him to a dark place which left him sleepless and depressed. And even though he died before he could see the fruit of his labor….he surpassed and Jokers that have ever been played and any of his former characters! He had to live as the Joker 24/7 to feel him. I played a psychotic bipolar chick in a play before and I had to live and think as one (without really killing anybody) but I was thinking like one….how they got that way. How would they handle everyday situations, etc…my family and friends had to call me on it. I was not myself.

By LifeQuestions

August 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Jazzy what is “good money”? I hear/read that term a lot, but what does it really mean.

Good is relative, so I’m curious as to what you consider good money. Please don’t take this as personal attack.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

I’mma have to agree with Staceye…might be time for a cat scan..

Being artistic is something you’re born with and in the sense of moods and brooding…writer’s block is a muthanutha.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Mkaryl the next date for “Period” is Aug. 16…did you get my email? I’ll share some pic w/ you. self expression at it best mytwo I miss school. I just finished emailing a coworker about how the school’s yard was toilet papered like snow this morning. Then the culprits had the nerve to blocked the teachers lot with cones and barriers i ‘early dropped’ for a change. I go in the student center and all the kids were a lil to quiet, I’m looking around at like the 5 that were early this morn. The headmaster is disgusted walking around with big black trash bags filled w/ toilet paper….and so i look at mine and say…you need to offer help. His sitter (high school) walks up and say. Ms. Cee did you get up before dawn and do this horibble thing to our school yard? I know tuition is high and gas is crazy but why take such action toward our beautiful school. Dr. S looked up and just grinned…Missy will get 1 can of soup for her, lil c, and her lil brother to share the next time she sits for that one.

By Staceye AKA Black Mamba

August 11, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Mytwocents I love a man in uniform..I have dated a cop…out in public he had that drunk with power tude, but behind close doors, I had him saying yes mistress while in cuffs him damn self! LOL I had my fireman..yes yes…I did a strip tease for him in a firefighter costume…I had to put out his fire! Oh my and my Marine, he was always standing at attention! Loved it!

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

@Dan

Just getting back to a computer…anyway…yes empathy…there is so much intellectual, spiritual, emotional and psychological inner energy connected to creative temperment and output…the ability to feel for another can truly help one to reconstruct, recreate and reinterpret an artistic expression that convey such…otherwordly contemplation.

@Cemeeli

No, I did not get the email yet…send again, please.

@Staceye

Mmm, they say threes but it seems mulptiple 3’s or something lately…just seems like in the last few months many ppl of noted talent etc. have been recalled to a higher mission…energy is neither created nor destroyed…mmm

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

StaceyeWell Awrighty then!!!!

By Jazzyone

August 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Life I am a software Engineer with 10 years experience with automated testing tools experienced in this country and outside of it so Im sure you can figure that out. Good money to support my lifestyle and keep me quite happy and financially secure. Oo invest it in mulitple properties and save some all at the same time. Or go out and purchase whatever I want when I want to.

By abc

August 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Staceye, creativity and being neurotic, moody, and so on are mutually exclusive. Although, it does seem to fit that you’d describe yourself as an actress.

I’m a product of formal training in music and have worked a great deal in theater. I’ve always thought that actors were conspicuous in that they don’t really seem to have a personality of their own — they’re always playing a part. Kind of sad, really, as it makes for such a messy life.

Being creative doesn’t have a thing to do with carrying the world’s grief on your shoulders, nor does it require that a person be that different from everyone else. It’s simply a spark that others may or may not lack. No magic, no smoke and mirrors. That one is good at math, that one at carpentry, that one at capturing their impressions on canvas or in sound. Not a big deal, except to those that can’t see it for what it is.

Most of the arts are about technique. If you don’t have the skills, the perfected craft, you aren’t able to convey your impressions of everything around you. It’s like listening to someone with a speech impediment. Anyone can have artistic impressions of things; few people put together their craft well enough to effectively convey it to others. That’s the reality of it.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

M’karyl check your box darlin’. He is looking for vendors.

By SexyLeggs

August 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Staceye, we may have already had the 3 with the passing of Estelle Getty. If not here, Paul Newman (age 83) isn’t doing so well. His doctors have given him a week or two (according to a news report this morning).

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

@Cemeeli I have it but can not open it here…I will try when I get home and let you know…thanks.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

@Cemeeli I have it but can not open it here…I will try when I get home and let you know…thanks.

By mytwocents

August 11, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Ms. Cee Lil Cee gon get TPed tomorra for undoing their hard work! Yet a young man of principle shall endure. That’s a devilish lil missy, too. I’m so proud of her…

Staceye You gotta have souvenirs for days. Thinkin your closet is like a costume store after these escapades.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

@abc

I think you’re talking about the merging of art and commmerce, in the technique aspect.

Art, in and of itself, is about expression (doodling, writing out thoughts, humming), one can never truly perfect that expression. As for conveying it to others, that too is not a requirement for art. Most artistic work is kept by artist as a private expression.

To expound on the “seeing the world differently”, I mean to say that where as someone artistically inclined sees the hues and colors of a sunset/sunrise, one not so inclined may value the experience in the same way.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

@SexyLeggs

Tim Russert, Stanley Winston, Bo Diddley, Cid Charise, Estelle Getty…and there have been a few more in the last 3 months or so…at one time, I think I had counted something like 8 maybe 10 ppl in the last few months.

By abc

August 11, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I’m not that expansive about what is art. If a painter has no technique and makes blobs and stick figures, calling it his impression of the world, I scoff at that. A kindergartner could do that.

Likewise, a musician without formal training and study is a pretty bad player. There are so few exceptions to that as to say that there aren’t any exceptions to that.

Now, in either case, they may be popular; an awful lot of crap gets played on the radio and is called musical art, gets bought from IKEA and is called art; but it’s not. It’s crap.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

I mean to say that where as someone artistically inclined sees the hues and colors of a sunset/sunrise

Color Palettes…the world is a visual color palette…color inspiration…color memory aroused…creative interpretation expresses itself from the perception of hues, tones, analogous or monochromatic shades…color intensity…yes, color perception is a totally different experience for creative ones.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Shakesphere?…2C that was the hardest for me to get comfortable reading.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

@abc

that’s just it….

Art isn’t defined by you or me or anyone but the artist. So that kindergartener that throws paint or smudges up a piece of paper…if they had expressive skills…would call it art

By abc

August 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

…and I daresay what m’karyl says about color illustrates what I’m talking about. To convey what one sees as color and texture of a sunset, one must be skilled in what materials to use, how to combine them, how to prepare the surface to which those are applied, what and how to apply them, and practiced at making the representation they create be just what they had in mind — not a matter of chance.

That takes study, training, practice, experience. Without the technique there is no art. With technique comes accurate representation of the artist’s feelings; the audience’s interpretation of those accurately portrayed feelings will all vary, person to person, which is definitive of what art is, what it does, and what it’s good for.

That so many Americans consider so many lesser things to be art, music, other artistic entertainments, is simply indicative of the low state of our culture, poor to non-existent education in the arts.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Artistic expression in and of itself is art in the purest sense…now what value does that artistic expression have…well, who is the recipient of the value…adn who holds it dear.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

@abc

It is rumored that Davinci would draw a perfect 360 degree circle…for no other reason than, just because.

Would that be art? The Vetrivian Man was a doodle of his, yet it too is considered art.

Art requires no formal training…it just is what it is.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

“that was the hardest for me to get comfortable reading.”

Cee, cause, like Dan is sayin’ folks who look at the world differently, tend to paint the world as they see it - you have to attempt to get inside the artists’ head, to see what it is they’re trying to portray….

prime example, the Unabomber, Ted Kazinscki (sp), was a freakin genius! He just couldn’t relate to society, and thus became a recluse, because he felt ostracized in his views of the world.

By mytwocents

August 11, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Cee Have you tried it as an adult? He read differently to me in high school than college, than grad school. Between understanding the bawdy humor & social commentary, it progressively made more sense. As is the case with much literature.

By abc

August 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

DaVinci had a ton of formal training. He relied quite heavily upon that which came before him. Any art form that is worth a darn does.

Art is not defined by the artist. If that were true, Prince would be the artist he claims to be, and not the pop music hack he is in actuality. His ditties could just as well accompany a TV advertisement for tourism or a new cars, they have no more meat on them than that.

Art is defined by the audience. One true aspect of art is that for the most part, everyone who regards it will have at least a slightly different perspective on it, because they relate to it — and people being what they are, they’ll relate a bit differently.

People relate to reality TV, that doesn’t make it art. They relate to hip-hop, country and pop, not art. They relate to countless things that are not art. The things that are art are what the audience says they are, and the better educated in the arts the audience is, the higher forms of art they’ll appreciate.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

“That so many Americans consider so many lesser things to be art, music, other artistic entertainments, is simply indicative of the low state of our culture, poor to non-existent education in the arts.”

funny you should say that….per the ancients, there are 7 liberal arts and sciences - in this divine order: Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Arithmetic, Geometry, Music, and lastly, Astronomy.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

I have never studied my artistic talents a day in my life and I have many mediums that I use…I found myself innately resourceful with these insights and I found an expression for them…you can not teach color memory or the perception of color intensity…certainly there are techniques one must know how to use in order to execute the object of the craft…sewing, knitting, jewelry making, soap and candle making, embroidery…all of these things require knowing the techniques involved…but not necessarily a trained or tutored manipulation of such.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Dan, you said, “It is rumored that Davinci would draw a perfect 360 degree circle…for no other reason than, just because. Would that be art? The Vetrivian Man was a doodle of his, yet it too is considered art.”

He wasn’t drawing, just because…The Vitruvian Man, was actually a theory, that he was testing; He combined the 7 liberal arts and sciences to come up with the Vitruvian Man, and the Phi Ratio, aka, the Golden Mean.

By Poppa Grande

August 11, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

M’Karyl

I shall pass along your regards to my friend, Ike Dirty aka Isaac Hayes III. He lives here in Atlanta (Smyrna). I spoke to him briefly last night. It has been a tough day so far. Ike and his father have strong ties to Atlanta. So, it kinda feels like losing a neighbor.

My co-workers have asked if I’m ok because I’m so quiet today. They don’t know that I why I am quiet. They just know that I am not my normal cheerful self today.

On top of that, my brother had an emotional moment this morning because today is his baby girl’s (Older daughter) first day of kindergarten in Gwinnett. She is a Daddy Girl and Daddy took off today to take his girl to her first day at “big kid’s school” as she calls it.

I was just gonna lurk, but wanted M’Karyl (& others) to know that your sentiments shall be passed on.

Dan

You are correct. Art is defined by the artist. It something that is an expression of their feelings and such. We can’t define what another person feels.

abc

No teachers. They get way too preoccupied with their jobs, and tend to think it’s like a divine calling or something.

As a big brother, I have learned that dealing with other people’s kids isn’t an easy task at all. Not every one can do it. In my eyes, teachers have to have a something special in them to deal with kids and their parents. Surely, they aren’t doing it to live a lavish lifestyle.

As far as being pre-occupied, some realize the importance of their jobs. The last thing that we need are more half-azzed teachers.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

@Poppa G

Give thanks…The Black Moses will long be fondly remembered as one of the ultimate icons of his time…his legacy is astounding…that we have been blessed to have this for eternity…he is immortal.

By SexyLeggs

August 11, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Foots, just finished talking with Si-Man. He’s been married 15 years!

By Poppa Grande

August 11, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Art is not defined by the artist. If that were true, Prince would be the artist he claims to be, and not the pop music hack he is in actuality.

That your opinion. So don’t state it like it is. Unlike Michael, he actaully writes his own stuff. He isn’t just performing stuff written by other folks. He plays many instruments.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Pop’s, glad you showed up….“We can’t define what another person feels.”

Being in the legal field, isn’t that exactly what y’all do, in interpreting what the framers of the Constituion intended?

By abc

August 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Poppa, I was married to a teacher for over 20 years. I might as well have been living alone for the last 10 of those, thank God that’s over with. All teachers will speak of the sacrifice their spouses must make, and most spouses of teachers will tell you eff that, it ain’t even worth it.

By Staceye AKA Black Mamba

August 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

ABC oh trust I do have a personality of my own.

Sexyleggs You may be right wiht the 3….Estelle Getty was first. My crazy friend said Morgan Freeman better watch out! LOL I think ole girl was singing on the microphone while he was driving and he was almost to his point and lost control of the car! Now that is one expensive BJ! He almost paid with his life! LOL See he cheated death and now it’s mad so that is why it said, “since yo’ Black azz slithered away I am going to take 2 darkies in your place…let’s see…who’s easy…Bernie, he’s already at my door and hmmmmm…Isaac, you’re a Scientologist right….BAMMM…how’s that working out for you now buddy? H*ll Ron Hubbard can’t save you now! *(I know..I got a first class ticket on the express jet to hell for that one!)

Mytwocents Love Halloween so I always have costumes for any occassion! I buy them at like 40% of the cost right after Halloween.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

get inside the artists’ head, to see what it is they’re trying to portray….

2C Honestly when i “had” to read it. His way of ‘expressive words’ made me think i had to be the slowest person in the world. Then the lit teacher says, Cee read it when you don’t have other things going on, and try to think/visualize your part in the play. i did and that dind’t work It was just hard for me. ex; Hamlet: i failed the report on that.

mytwo now that reading is my outlet away from my “social outlet” i’ may try Shakespere again. no promises.

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

PoppaAmen to the teachers!!! I know of very few educators these days and the few that I do know tell me on a regular how difficult and time consuming it can be and the parents do not make it any easier. A lot of them are just getting out of the field altogether or putting the classroom on the back burner to go to more lucrative administrative jobs in the field of education.

By SexyLeggs

August 11, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry PoppaGrande. Stay strong!

Tell your brother to keep smiling cuz more precious moments are coming his way.

By Poppa Grande

August 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

2 C

Yep,that is part of it.

The old saying about lawyers is this.

If they law is against his client, he makes an issue of the facts.

If they facts are against his client, he makes an issue of the law.

Which means interpretation is the name of the game. Its just that in many cases, an attorney can interview a client and find out for himself/herself what the client was thinking.

Its all about protecting the client’s interest.

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Cee….methinks this is the case with religous folks, “Honestly when i “had” to read it. His way of ‘expressive words’ made me think i had to be the slowest person in the world.”

lotta folks rely on preachers to interpret what they can discern for themselves;

By Dan

August 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

@abc, MK, and 2C

I was just thinking about the ethos…later to be called “inspiration”. This is the place that the collective knowledge resides…and each of us have access to it.

The Ancient Greeks and Romans believed that the ethos was divine, and in truth they and the kingdom of Kush they aquired knowledge from were correct.

abc,

As a trained musician you are familiar with technique and training (the repition of “learning” something), the ethos that every artist touches is not learned, it is an ability to tap into ephemeral state and express it through a medium.

Have you ever written a song? Then you’ve had access to the ethos. And my friend, that is no small feat, not something to be taken lightly, or derided as training.

Babies have it, we all do until “learned” knowledge cuts off that pathway.

MK stated that energy is not created or destroyed…neither is the ethos.

Sounds strange, I know, but when I can’t write, I feel that loss.

BTW, art is not categorized by the viewer, it is the viewers reaction to the artist’s representation.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

@abc, MK, and 2C

I was just thinking about the ethos…later to be called “inspiration”. This is the place that the collective knowledge resides…and each of us have access to it.

The Ancient Greeks and Romans believed that the ethos was divine, and in truth they and the kingdom of Kush they aquired knowledge from were correct.

abc,

As a trained musician you are familiar with technique and training (the repition of “learning” something), the ethos that every artist touches is not learned, it is an ability to tap into ephemeral state and express it through a medium.

Have you ever written a song? Then you’ve had access to the ethos. And my friend, that is no small feat, not something to be taken lightly, or derided as training.

Babies have it, we all do until “learned” knowledge cuts off that pathway.

MK stated that energy is not created or destroyed…neither is the ethos.

Sounds strange, I know, but when I can’t write, I feel that loss.

BTW, art is not categorized by the viewer, it is the viewers reaction to the artist’s representation.

By SexyLeggs

August 11, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Singing on the mircrophone = PRICELESS!

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

PoppaG your a big brother? okay. Teachers are so underappreciated it’s ridiculous. I must say i can not say thanks enough to them for their work. the good teachers at least

Hold it down for everyone else over there (your peeps that are grieving the lost). My condolences.

By Poppa Grande

August 11, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

abc

It takes a special person to be an understanding spouse as well. Everyone can’t do it.

Cee

Try some of the comedies. Merry Wives of Windsor is one of my favorites. I don’t really care for many of the tragedies.

Keep in mind William Shakespeare was writng to make money, not to be studied all these years later. They tend to have the same things that we like now: Sex, drugs, etc. In other words, get an audience.

By AmazonRed

August 11, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

*snore * Zzzzzz….

By abc

August 11, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

People who refuse the value of a formal education in the arts don’t have one and thus have difficulty realizing what the value is.

If I hadn’t been exposed to music of the masters, ear training, taught how to listen, orchestrate, compose, arrange, improvise, etc. etc. then I wouldn’t know how. If not for all that, I may have some nursery-rhyme-like melody appear in my imagination, but I’d scarcely even know how to notate it so that musicians could play it. Maybe I could sing it into a tape recorder for a musician to do the work for me, but the ideas I’d have would be elementary due to ignorance of the enormous wealth of music that has come before me, that’s created all around the world all the time — not the crap Americans are exposed to, but art musics.

Sure, I’ve written a lot of music. I’m a jazz player, improvisation is the only critical ingredient. Any jazz player that doesn’t admit that at best, 1-2% of any solo is new material (and that’s on a really good day) is flat-out lying or too crummy a player to know the difference.

Now, people who have an artistic bent know full well that they need, that they want the exposure and training that a formal education will provide. They know that because they can hear, see and recognize all the art around them and want to know how that is done. The only things that will keep a potential artist from a formal arts education is lack of opportunity, or fear that they can’t measure up. I don’t belittle those things at all, either; an awful lot of talented people miss out on account of those 2 things.

I admit that I tend to discount that which is ‘folk art’. To me, folk art is largely representative of undeveloped talent. That doesn’t make it art, though, not to me.

By Poppa Grande

August 11, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Cee

PoppaG your a big brother?

Well, sort of. A few years back I was really active. Since starting school, I can’t get any busier and still be effective. Most of my “little brothers” are now either in college or college grads. But I still feel like they are my little brothers.

One, in particular, had been in legal trouble before I got him. He was with a group of kids that stole candy bars from a Quick Trip (or some convenience store). He didn’t participate but he was identified with the group that did. He learned a lesson about watching the “company you keep.”

I helped him through high school and he got into Coppin State. He graduated this past May. I felt proud. He learned his lesson and moved on. He still calls me from time to time.

By Beautiful

August 11, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

mood today happy go lucky. hi ev1! anything exciting happen this w/e?

update he called me friday afternoon and i explained to him that 1) i wasn’t going to EVER meet him halfway, 2) that we should avoid seeing each other when jr. is picked up or dropped off, 3) he can come and pick him up every w/e if he wanted to, and 4) after he hangs up, it was ok to call me a bytch because i don’t care. what you think about me doesn’t define me. after two long minutes of dead air, he said ok. he knows a good thing when he sees one. patting myself on the back. the drop off was great, because i was no where in sight. i didn’t allow myself to go backwards. anyhoo …

on topic my headliner on my myspace page says don’t let others define who you are. if he worked in the morgue, i wouldn’t hold it against him. cause lord knows dead ppl gives me the creeps.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

2C You may have a point,i never thought of it like that. Back then there wasn’t a preacher leading this young girl…so, nope Shakesphere was messin’ my colorful world up all by his style. i read it to the best…

I can’get with a psalmists, i can get with. I think someone mentioned music art, writing poetic songs, and playing instruments…that’s where my love live. Talk about expression!

By Jazzyone

August 11, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

The Unabomber…its funny hes such a genius he wanted to blow up the world casue we didn’t understand how his brain worked ..yeah thats genius for us…LOL..genius my a*, crazy as fugg…

In my opinion art is in the eye of the beholder..what one things is art the next person may think of as junk..which is what makes it art..ya pumpin up to be this oh so this and that..its really very simple…art isn’t to be explained…its to be interpreted by one not described and categorized by one. With the exception of styles of art. JMO..

By 2 Can Play That Game©

August 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

abc….what differentiates a genius from a scholar?

By i'm swiss

August 11, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

I don’t know that I would automatically exclude any particular occupation — but anyone who is so consumed by their job that it defines them, is not going to be compatible with me. I have a good career going — I make decent money, I like what I do & I’m good at it… BUT, it’s my job; it’s not who I am. When I’m at work, I focus on work (well, except when I’m killing time blogging LOL), but when I leave work, I really leave work behind. I work to have the means to live; I don’t live to work — and anyone who is totally career-consumed is just dull to me.

By Dan

August 11, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

@abc

Formal training has it’s place, I’ll not argue with that. But what I’m speaking of regarding art is without commerce…

I have tons of stuff written, I choose not to frame it, let someone edit it, and sell en masse becuase that would take away what it means to me.

I dig that do jazz, I dig other writers, singers, artists of all mediums, I just can’t do it.

When art meets commerce, eventually something will lose, and for me I’m not willing to compromise for the sake of commerce.

By SexyCool

August 11, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

i was a big sister a ‘few’ years back…but eventually realized that my ‘little sister’ was using me for my cash…she never wanted to do anything that didn’t involve me spending money…it kinda soured me on the program…i quit and never looked back…oh well to that….

By Poppa Grande

August 11, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

SexyL

You don’t know the half of it. My oldest neice started today. I told him to buck up! (i’m the big meanie)

However, in five years, his twin daughters start. He and is wife have 3 kids all girls. All have the same birthday: November 16. The oldest was born in 2002, the others were born in 2007. He thinks that it will be cool to have one party for them all. I told him that it may be true until teenager. I can’t see the oldest have a Sweet 16 with her 11 year old sisters.

Ladies, here is a new UCLA study that came out

UCLA STUDY

A study conducted by UCLA’s Department of Psychiatry has revealed that the kind of face a woman finds attractive on a man can differ depending on where she is in her menstrual cycle. For example: If she is ovulating, she is attracted to men with rugged and masculine features. However, if she is menstruating or menopausal, she tends to be more attracted to a man with duct tape over his mouth and a spear lodged in his chest while he is on fire. No further studies are expected.

By Jazzyone

August 11, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

ABC and thats it in a nutshell not art to you..but may be to someone else..so um yeah perception in your eyes does not or may equate to art for someone else..not less than cause you don’t see it…

By Jazzyone

August 11, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Sexy okay hes been married 15 years and has somewhat of a new child think its been a few months..but um why are you talking to someone elses husband??? LOL

By Foots

August 11, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Big Poppa she tends to be more attracted to a man with duct tape over his mouth and a spear lodged in his chest while he is on fire.

Chuckle!! :-)

By Randyt (aka "been there, done that, got a closet with even more t-shirts)

August 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Hello Y’all

Only ducking in for a moment, but have to come to the defense of abc regarding teachers. I was married to one for a lot of years, and have dated and been in relationships with a bunch since then. Teachers have to be focussed to be good teachers, and unless one is married to one of the good ones, they never know the hours that are taken up away from the classroom. Some teachers also use it as an escape from things they are not happy with elsewhere (like husbands and marriage). The husband can be understanding to a point, but if that lady also puts KIDS, PARENTS, PETS, AND EVERY OTHER THING in front of the husband also, then that so called “understanding” eventually turns to resentment.

Trust me when I say I have that t-shirt

As for lawyers, I’ve met and dated a few corporate lawyers who were okay, but there is never a “black or white” with them, only shades of gray. I like things more defined.

Policewomen…almost hit on one that pulled me over, but ultimately was afraid of the gun in the hands of someone who MIGHT turn out to be unstable…handcuffs looked interesting though. Nice looking though, in a severe looking way.

Regarding art, I’ve seen some art that was incredible, Rembrandt for instance, when you can literally see the light reflecting on the eyes of the subject…I’ve also seen so-called art and thought WTF is that. Guess it must be in the eyes of the beholder.

HI WD I’m ready for another Rascal Flatts lyric and a new t-shirt, how about you?

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

@Dan

Kinda understand where you are coming from about artistic expression and commerce…I am finally doing a semi-precious line of jewerly…I have been beading for 40 years as a creative expression…now, I have to put a price tag on my work to sell it and it is not always easy to do…so much of what it means can not always be measured in a $$$ value…is it too much??? not enough??? do I think about just the actually putting together…do I think about intellectual property value??? the orginality…it puts a whole nother perspective on the artistic expression once there is a commercial value assigned to it.

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

PoppaNo spear just the duct tape over the mouth with ice cream and chocolate oreos in hand. LOL

By Randyt (aka "been there, done that, got a closet with even more t-shirts)

August 11, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

@ Poppa Grande

After that Bobbitt issue, for 6 months every time my wife was PMS’ing, I slept on my stomach. I could see the insanity in her eyes when it was coming around and figured “better safe than sorry” (and if she thru mine out the c ar window, it would not have been found…I’m not that lucky).

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

I still feel like they are my little brothers.

Once you bond it’s a done deal. So the guys in the program can have more than one lil brother? hmmm. You guys are grown up to do better for themselves…the one @ Coppin got out soon enough.

Oh & u so wrong …PoppaG posting that study.

By Randyt (aka "been there, done that, got a closet with even more t-shirts)

August 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

OOOPS I meant “threw”, not “thru”. Unfortunately I do my best editing AFTER I hit the send button.

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Geniuses are born brilliant, some with a specific skill, while scholars study & learn to be top tier in a skill/study.

No?

Why do i feel like it’s the “first day back” for me?

By Atl Lady

August 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

M’KarylI feel you which is why I stopped sewing for other people. More and more I kept running into people who wanted tailor-made quality for the store bought price. Just simply isn’t going to happen like that and you should be ashamed for asking.

By For Real

August 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

What up Blog Fam! I see abc is still trying to convince everyone that art is the eye and ear of abc. Dude you have connected with something that you love which is good for you but for you to say that someone else’s connection isn’t art is akin to someone trying to tell me how valuable they are to me. And I think everyone knows how I feel about that….

2C what differentiates a genius from a scholar?

A genius create or discovers what a scholar learns.

By Beautiful

August 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

A genius create or discovers what a scholar learns.

sounds right to me.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

@Atl Lady

They actually offered you the store bought price…dayummm they must of thought you were good…lol…sometimes I think ppl wanted me to sew for what they would have paid for it as a give away…the jewelery is a little easier to market than the sewing, which is why I do not use that medium…and it is a lot less work with the stones, etc…no pinning, no cutting, no intense measuring…no mouthy ppl whining…lol…only thing you want to sew is they mouth shut…lol

By SlimOne

August 11, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Ever wonder when someones ‘work of art’ is thought to be amazing enough to have an open gallery and priced at An arm and a leg…that everything he/she creates is held at that same juncture? (insert artist name here) may have a masterpiece in Jan 2008 but a whole bunch of crap thereafter….

I mean after Dr. Seusss’ Green Eggs & Ham…can we call any of those other works, Art?

By abc

August 11, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

My perspective is as one that lived and worked only in artistic communities for over 15 years, and the rest of the time kept my hand in. That’s actors, musicians, artists… what I’m saying is what they’d all say too. Certainly, beauty and art are in the eye of the beholder, but if the beholder has seen only shades of gray, certainly the first perception of color would be “wow, look at that!” I consider that lack of exposure to finer art is why cruder, more homemade examples seem to be so fine to some people.

It’s why there’s Britney, Miley, Madonna. Country acts, hip-hop acts, you name it. Crap that’s regarded as art that’s nothing more than an amateur’s rendition. I could submit a poem to the blog of my heartfelt impressions of whatever, and I tend to write down such things every now and then, but that doesn’t make me a poet, does it?

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

hahaha…Fuhreal Throw up the westside sign, then!

mytwo what it do? 2 step with the si-man? now wonder you didn’t come outside help my wash car.

This weather has been faboulous!

By Jazzyone

August 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

abc To some it may make you a poet in their eyes and a great one..but the next person may think not so much..thats the deffiniton of art..to the beholder is the truth…

By Cemeeli

August 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

mytwo translate 2:21 for me.

By m'karyl

August 11, 2008 2:30 PM |